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Algebraic complexity of path problems

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It is open if this is true for all cycle-free graphs E, which would show that the assumption "S idempotent" can be dropped.

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    Problem: Mahr’s Remark 5.5 asks whether Theorem 5.4 remains true for all finite cycle-free directed graphs after removing the hypothesis that the semiring SS is idempotent. Reconstructed precisely: for every finite acyclic digraph EE and every semiring SS, Mahr’s adapted computation schemes for the path function should attain the lower bounds t(E)t(E) multiplications and t(E)t^*(E) additions. The context supports this reconstruction because the remark says this would let one drop the assumption “SS idempotent” from Theorem 5.4.

    Result: The statement is false.

    Take the acyclic digraph with vertices 0,1,2,3,4,50,1,2,3,4,5 and edges

    01, 03, 04, 12, 15, 23, 25, 34, 45.01,\ 03,\ 04,\ 12,\ 15,\ 23,\ 25,\ 34,\ 45 .

    Work over the free non-idempotent semiring NE\mathbb N\langle E\rangle, so distinct paths are distinct monomials and duplicate paths cannot disappear.

    The relevant path sets include

    P04={04,034,01234},P15={15,125,12345},P_{04}=\{04,034,01234\},\qquad P_{15}=\{15,125,12345\}, P05={015,0125,012345,0345,045}.P_{05}=\{015,0125,012345,0345,045\}.

    Mahr’s multiplication lower-bound contributions are

    (i,j)02030405131415242535tij1112111111,\begin{array}{c|cccccccccc} (i,j)&02&03&04&05&13&14&15&24&25&35\\ \hline t_{ij}&1&1&1&2&1&1&1&1&1&1, \end{array}

    so t(E)=11t(E)=11. His addition bound gives one contribution for each of

    03, 04, 05, 15, 25,03,\ 04,\ 05,\ 15,\ 25,

    hence t(E)=5t^*(E)=5.

    Suppose an adapted scheme attained (11,5)(11,5). Since the five outputs above already require the five allowed additions, no further addition gate can produce another two-path intermediate.

    For P05P_{05}, the one allowed addition must split P05P_{05} into two multiplication blocks. The path 015015 can only occur in a block split at vertex 11, while 045045 can only occur in a block split at vertex 44. Thus 01250125 must lie in the split-11 block and 03450345 in the split-44 block; only 012345012345 is ambiguous.

    If 012345012345 lies in the split-11 block, then the split-44 block is

    {045,0345}={04,034}45,\{045,0345\}=\{04,034\}\cdot 45,

    so the intermediate {04,034}\{04,034\} is needed. But {04,034}\{04,034\} cannot be a single adapted product, since the direct edge path 0404 and the path 034034 have no common nontrivial split vertex. Hence it requires an extra addition.

    If 012345012345 lies in the split-44 block, then the split-11 block is

    {015,0125}=01{15,125},\{015,0125\}=01\cdot\{15,125\},

    so the intermediate {15,125}\{15,125\} is needed. Again this cannot be a single adapted product, because the direct path 1515 and the path 125125 have no common nontrivial split vertex, so it also requires an extra addition.

    Both cases contradict the availability of only five additions. Therefore the idempotence hypothesis in Mahr’s Theorem 5.4 cannot be dropped for all cycle-free graphs.

    Citation: Bernd Mahr, “Algebraic complexity of path problems,” RAIRO Informatique Théorique / Theoretical Informatics 16(3), 263–292, 1982, Theorem 5.4 and Remark 5.5. The counterexample above is the resolution given here.

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    model says: correctGPT-5.5 xhigh (SMD judge 1)

    scope Full solution as submitted; SMD novelty classification TYPE1

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    The counterexample attacks the correct statement: tightness of Mahr’s adapted-scheme bounds for acyclic graphs without idempotence. The listed graph is acyclic, the path sets and values t(E)=11t(E)=11, t(E)=5t^*(E)=5 check out. Over the free non-idempotent semiring, duplicate path monomials cannot collapse.

    The obstruction for P05P_{05} is valid: with only the five allowed additions already consumed by the required outputs, the necessary two-block split of P05P_{05} forces either the intermediate {04,034}\{04,034\} or {15,125}\{15,125\}, each requiring an additional addition. Thus no tight adapted scheme exists for this acyclic graph. I found no prior literature resolving this specific open problem.

    Novelty assessment

    TYPE1

    Classification rationale: Genuinely new as far as I can determine, but minor. It is a small explicit counterexample to a narrow technical remark in an older algebraic-complexity/path-problem paper, with no broad new method or substantial theorem. It might fit as a short note or as part of a larger treatment, but likely not as a standalone standard combinatorics paper.

    Literature check: I found no prior occurrence of this counterexample or any stronger resolution. Searches for Mahr’s title, “adapted computation schemes,” “idempotent semiring” with “cycle-free,” “Theorem 5.4,” the exact open-problem phrase, and the proposed edge/path data led only to Mahr’s paper, bibliographic pages, and unrelated semiring/path-problem material. OpenAlex lists only two later citations to Mahr’s paper, both graph-transformation papers unrelated to the idempotence-removal question. The Numdam text confirms Remark 5.5 leaves exactly this issue open.

    Citation: Bernd Mahr, “Algebraic complexity of path problems,” RAIRO Informatique Théorique / Theoretical Informatics 16(3), 263–292, 1982, Theorem 5.4 and Remark 5.5.

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