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Excedances in classical and affine Weyl groups

Combinatorics · math.CO · posed by Pietro Mongelli · open

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The generating function of the colored excedance on SDnDSD_{n}^{D} is log-concave for all n ≥ 1.

The generating function of the absolute excedance on SDnDSD_{n}^{D} is log-concave for all n ≥ 10 and unimodal for all n ≥ 1.

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    Problem: In Mongelli’s notation, SDnDSD_n^D is the set of derangements in the even-signed permutation group DnD_n. For σ=[a1,…,an]∈Dn\sigma=[a_1,\dots,a_n]\in D_n,

    exc⁡Clr(σ)=2 exc⁡A(σ)+neg⁡(σ),\operatorname{exc}^{\mathrm{Clr}}(\sigma)=2\,\operatorname{exc}_A(\sigma)+\operatorname{neg}(\sigma),

    where exc⁡A(σ)=∣{i:ai>i}∣\operatorname{exc}_A(\sigma)=|\{i:a_i>i\}| and neg⁡(σ)=∣{i:ai<0}∣\operatorname{neg}(\sigma)=|\{i:a_i<0\}|. The conjecture asserts that

    Cn(q)=∑σ∈SDnDqexc⁡Clr(σ)C_n(q)=\sum_{\sigma\in SD_n^D} q^{\operatorname{exc}^{\mathrm{Clr}}(\sigma)}

    is log-concave for all n≥1n\ge1, with log-concavity understood for the ordinary coefficient sequence in qq.

    Result: The literal statement is false.

    Take n=3n=3. Since every σ∈D3\sigma\in D_3 has neg⁡(σ)\operatorname{neg}(\sigma) even, every exponent

    2exc⁡A(σ)+neg⁡(σ)2\operatorname{exc}_A(\sigma)+\operatorname{neg}(\sigma)

    is even. Hence the coefficient of q3q^3 in C3(q)C_3(q) is 00.

    But C3(q)C_3(q) has positive coefficients at both q2q^2 and q4q^4. For example:

    σ=[−1,−3,2]∈SD3D\sigma=[-1,-3,2]\in SD_3^D

    has neg⁡=2\operatorname{neg}=2, exc⁡A=0\operatorname{exc}_A=0, so exc⁡Clr=2\operatorname{exc}^{\mathrm{Clr}}=2. Also

    τ=[−1,3,−2]∈SD3D\tau=[-1,3,-2]\in SD_3^D

    has neg⁡=2\operatorname{neg}=2, exc⁡A=1\operatorname{exc}_A=1, so exc⁡Clr=4\operatorname{exc}^{\mathrm{Clr}}=4.

    Thus if C3(q)=∑ciqiC_3(q)=\sum c_i q^i, then c2>0c_2>0, c3=0c_3=0, and c4>0c_4>0. Log-concavity at i=3i=3 would require

    c32≥c2c4,c_3^2\ge c_2c_4,

    i.e. 0≥c2c4>00\ge c_2c_4>0, impossible.

    So the colored-excedance part of Conjecture 8.2 is false as literally stated. The natural repair is to ask for log-concavity after deleting the forced odd zero coefficients, equivalently as a polynomial in q2q^2.

    Citation: P. Mongelli, “Excedances in classical and affine Weyl groups,” Journal of Combinatorial Theory, Series A 120 (2013), 1216–1234, DOI: 10.1016/j.jcta.2013.03.006.

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    The counterexample is valid for the literal statement. In D3D_3, neg⁡(σ)\operatorname{neg}(\sigma) is even, so 2exc⁡A(σ)+neg⁡(σ)2\operatorname{exc}_A(\sigma)+\operatorname{neg}(\sigma) is always even; hence the q3q^3 coefficient is zero. The two exhibited signed derangements are in SD3DSD_3^D and give positive coefficients at q2q^2 and q4q^4. Thus the coefficient sequence has an internal pattern (c2,c3,c4)(c_2,c_3,c_4) with c2,c4>0c_2,c_4>0 and c3=0c_3=0, violating log-concavity. This disproves the colored-excedance part of Conjecture 8.2 as stated.

    Novelty assessment

    TYPE1

    Classification rationale: The counterexample is valid, but it is a very small literal/semantic correction rather than a substantive combinatorial advance. It follows immediately from Mongelli’s definitions that all colored-excedance exponents in type DD are even, and n=3n=3 gives internal zero coefficients. This would be at most an erratum-level observation; it does not address the likely intended question after passing to q2q^2, nor the absolute-excedance part.

    Literature check: I found no published source explicitly recording this n=3n=3 counterexample or stating that Conjecture 8.2 is false as written. Searches for “Conjecture 8.2 Mongelli”, “colored excedance Mongelli”, “SD_n^D log-concave”, and related type-D derangement/log-concavity terms mainly return Mongelli’s paper, a HAL copy, later work on signed excedance enumeration, and papers/surveys concerning the type BB conjecture. Lin’s 2013 paper confirms only the unimodality part of Mongelli’s type BB conjecture and notes the stronger log-concavity issue, but does not settle or mention this type DD literal counterexample. No stronger published resolution of the stated type DD colored-excedance claim was found.

    Citation: P. Mongelli, “Excedances in classical and affine Weyl groups,” Journal of Combinatorial Theory, Series A 120 (2013), 1216–1234, DOI: 10.1016/j.jcta.2013.03.006.

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