Extremal problems for ordered (hyper)graphs: applications of Davenport–Schinzel sequences
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What is the exact asymptotics of ?
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Problem: Let be the ordered graph on vertices with edges
For a simple ordered hypergraph , write if there are vertices of and four distinct hyperedges containing respectively
Then
Klazar’s Open Problem 3.4 asks for the asymptotic order of .
Result:
The lower bound follows from the ordered graph extremal function:
For the upper bound, let be a -free simple ordered hypergraph on at most vertices. Call a pair heavy if it is contained in at least hyperedges of , and light otherwise.
Let be the graph of heavy pairs. If contained , then each of its four required pairs would lie in at least four hyperedges, so we could choose four distinct hyperedges greedily, giving , contradiction. Thus is -free.
Hyperedges all of whose pairs are heavy are cliques of . In any -free ordered graph , every edge has at most two common neighbors to the right of ; otherwise gives . Hence has at most triangles and at most copies of , and no . Therefore the number of non-singleton cliques in is .
For every remaining hyperedge choose one light pair inside it. The graph formed by these chosen pairs is also -free; otherwise the four chosen pairs of a -copy would come from four distinct hyperedges of . Since each light pair lies in at most three hyperedges,
Adding at most singleton hyperedges gives
Together with the lower bound, this proves .
Verification audit: the proof uses exactly Klazar’s ordered containment relation; hyperedges are simple; extra vertices in hyperedges are allowed; the four witnessing hyperedges are explicitly distinct; and the only external input is the known ordered graph bound .
Citation: Klazar, “Extremal problems for ordered (hyper)graphs: applications of Davenport–Schinzel sequences,” arXiv:math/0305037, Open Problem 3.4.
Füredi; Füredi–Hajnal: , as cited in Klazar, Theorem 3.3.- Curated solution (PDF) — not hosted yet
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The argument addresses the correct Klazar ordered Berge-containment notion with distinct witnessing hyperedges. The heavy/light decomposition is rigorous: heavy pairs form a -free ordered graph; -free graphs have only cliques here; and light-pair hyperedges are controlled by a -free chosen-pair graph with multiplicity at most . Together with the known , this proves . I found no existing stronger/same hypergraph result beyond Klazar’s stated bounds in the checked sources.
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Classification rationale: The result appears genuinely new, but its contribution is quite narrow: it settles one specific ordered Berge-hypergraph extremal problem by a short heavy/light shadow argument plus the known . Despite closing a named problem of Klazar, the proof is routine by modern Berge-hypergraph standards and likely too small as a standalone paper unless packaged with a broader general lemma/class of ordered graphs.
Literature check: I found no literature containing the exact statement . Searches for exact phrases such as “ex_e(G_1,n)”, “Open Problem 3.4 Klazar”, and ordered-hypergraph/Davenport–Schinzel terms gave no later resolution. OpenAlex citation search for Klazar’s paper and broad arXiv math.CO scans through 2026 found related work on ordered graphs, ordered/uniform hypergraphs, forbidden matrices, and unordered Berge hypergraphs, but not this ordered Klazar containment problem. Closest later works use different settings: unordered Berge hypergraphs, uniform ordered hypergraphs, or hereditary/growth questions.
Citation: Klazar, M., “Extremal problems for ordered (hyper)graphs: applications of Davenport–Schinzel sequences,” European J. Combin. 25, DOI 10.1016/j.ejc.2003.05.001; arXiv:math/0305037, Open Problem 3.4.
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