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    Problem: Reconstructed conjecture: for every connected loopless multigraph GG with vertex colouring b:V(G)→Z2b:V(G)\to\mathbb Z_2, all perfect quantum strategies of the graph-incidence linear-system game G(G,b)\mathcal G(G,b) have classical edge-correlation matrices iff bb has even parity, i.e. ∑v∈V(G)b(v)=0\sum_{v\in V(G)}b(v)=0. Here a perfect strategy’s edge-correlation matrix is

    Cef=E[αeβf],C_{ef}=\mathbb E[\alpha_e\beta_f],

    with αe,βf∈{±1}\alpha_e,\beta_f\in\{\pm1\}, and “classical” means lying in the convex hull of matrices ssTss^T coming from deterministic perfect edge assignments s:E(G)→{±1}s:E(G)\to\{\pm1\} satisfying

    ∏e∋vse=(−1)b(v)∀v.\prod_{e\ni v}s_e=(-1)^{b(v)}\quad \forall v.

    This formalizes the poster statement “all perfect strategies of G(G,b)\mathcal G(G,b) have classical correlation matrices iff bb has even parity.” The literal wording “Can we find the minors?” is ambiguous, but the quoted conjectural characterization is the substantive mathematical claim.

    Result: The conjecture is false, even non-vacuously with GG connected and b≡0b\equiv0.

    Let GG have vertices ui,viu_i,v_i, i=1,2,3i=1,2,3. Between uiu_i and viv_i put two parallel edges ei,fie_i,f_i. Add bridge edges h1:v1u2h_1:v_1u_2 and h2:v2u3h_2:v_2u_3. Let b≡0b\equiv0. Then GG is connected and bb has even parity.

    Define real self-adjoint unitaries on C2\mathbb C^2:

    A1=Z,A2=−12Z+32X,A3=−12Z−32X,A_1=Z,\qquad A_2=-\tfrac12Z+\tfrac{\sqrt3}{2}X,\qquad A_3=-\tfrac12Z-\tfrac{\sqrt3}{2}X,

    where Z=(100−1)Z=\begin{pmatrix}1&0\\0&-1\end{pmatrix}, X=(0110)X=\begin{pmatrix}0&1\\1&0\end{pmatrix}. Then Ai2=IA_i^2=I and

    12Tr⁡(AiAj)=−12(i≠j).\tfrac12\operatorname{Tr}(A_iA_j)=-\tfrac12\quad (i\ne j).

    Use the maximally entangled state Ω=(∣00⟩+∣11⟩)/2\Omega=(|00\rangle+|11\rangle)/\sqrt2. Assign observable AiA_i to both eie_i and fif_i, and II to both bridges. At every vertex the incident observables commute and multiply to II, so the parity constraint b=0b=0 is satisfied. Since the same real observable is used on both endpoints of each edge,

    ⟨Ω,Ae⊗AeTΩ⟩=1,\langle\Omega,A_e\otimes A_e^T\Omega\rangle=1,

    so the consistency test is won perfectly. Thus this is a perfect quantum strategy.

    Its correlation submatrix on e1,e2,e3e_1,e_2,e_3 is

    (1−1/2−1/2−1/21−1/2−1/2−1/21).\begin{pmatrix} 1&-1/2&-1/2\\ -1/2&1&-1/2\\ -1/2&-1/2&1 \end{pmatrix}.

    Now consider any deterministic perfect classical assignment. The vertex equations force

    s(ei)=s(fi)=:εi,s(h1)=s(h2)=1,s(e_i)=s(f_i)=:\varepsilon_i,\qquad s(h_1)=s(h_2)=1,

    with arbitrary εi∈{±1}\varepsilon_i\in\{\pm1\}. Hence any classical correlation submatrix on e1,e2,e3e_1,e_2,e_3 has entries rij=E[εiεj]r_{ij}=\mathbb E[\varepsilon_i\varepsilon_j]. For every deterministic triple,

    ε1ε2+ε1ε3+ε2ε3≥−1,\varepsilon_1\varepsilon_2+\varepsilon_1\varepsilon_3+\varepsilon_2\varepsilon_3\ge -1,

    so every classical convex combination satisfies r12+r13+r23≥−1r_{12}+r_{13}+r_{23}\ge -1. The quantum matrix gives −3/2-3/2, contradiction.

    Therefore bb can have even parity while a perfect quantum strategy has a nonclassical correlation matrix. The proposed parity characterization, and hence the corresponding parity-only forbidden-minor answer, is false.

    Citation: Context and terminology: Paddock–Russo–Silverthorne–Slofstra, “Arkhipov’s theorem, graph minors, and linear system nonlocal games,” arXiv:2205.04645. The counterexample above is supplied here.

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    model says: correctGPT-5.5 xhigh (SMD judge 1)

    scope Full solution as submitted; SMD novelty classification TYPE1

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    The counterexample is mathematically sound for the graph-incidence game setting, where multiedges are allowed. The constructed even-parity instance has a valid finite-dimensional perfect quantum strategy: the vertex observables commute locally, satisfy the parity equations, and give perfect consistency.

    Classically, perfect deterministic strategies reduce to three independent signs εi\varepsilon_i, so their correlations must satisfy

    r12+r13+r23≥−1.r_{12}+r_{13}+r_{23}\ge -1.

    The proposed quantum strategy yields r12=r13=r23=−1/2r_{12}=r_{13}=r_{23}=-1/2, giving −3/2-3/2, so its correlation matrix is not classical. Thus even parity does not imply all perfect strategies have classical correlation matrices, disproving the quoted parity characterization. I did not find a published identical or stronger resolution; the cited 2022 paper treats finiteness/abelianness, not this counterexample to the correlation-matrix parity claim.

    Novelty assessment

    TYPE1

    Classification rationale: Genuinely new as a refutation of the poster’s parity guess, but minor. The construction is a small gadget embedding the standard nonclassical 3-variable correlation matrix into a graph-incidence game. It does not solve the forbidden-minor problem or give a replacement classification, so it is more a correction/remark than a standalone publishable result.

    Literature check: I found the relevant context in Paddock–Russo–Silverthorne–Slofstra’s arXiv paper, which treats solution-group finiteness and abelianness, not this correlation-matrix counterexample. Searches for the exact conjectural phrase and variants involving “graph incidence games,” “classical correlation matrices,” “linear system games,” “Arkhipov’s theorem,” and the authors did not turn up an existing note or paper containing this counterexample or a stronger resolution. The underlying elliptope-vs-classical correlation-polytope separation is standard, but I found no prior embedding of it as this graph-incidence-game counterexample.

    Citation: No prior citation for the counterexample located. Background: Paddock–Russo–Silverthorne–Slofstra, “Arkhipov’s theorem, graph minors, and linear system nonlocal games,” arXiv:2205.04645; QIP 2019 poster. Standard correlation background: Tsirelson, Lett. Math. Phys. 4 (1980), 93–100.

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