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Generalized Fibonacci polynomials and Fibonomial coefficients

Combinatorics · math.CO · posed by Tewodros Amdeberhan, Xi Chen, Victor H. Moll, Bruce E. Sagan · open

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It would be very interesting to prove the full version of Theorem 4.1 in a similar manner.

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Candidate 2 of the open problems stated in "Generalized Fibonacci polynomials and Fibonomial coefficients", extracted for the Scalable Mathematical Discovery run.

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    Problem: The sentence is not a formal conjecture but a request for a Dodgson-condensation-style proof of the full Euler-Cassini identity in Theorem 4.1. I formalize it as follows.

    Let s,t,qs,t,q be commuting indeterminates, and define

    Fn(a)={n}s,qat(q),F0(a)=0,F1(a)=1,F_n^{(a)}=\{n\}_{s,q^a t}(q),\qquad F_0^{(a)}=0,\quad F_1^{(a)}=1, Fn(a)=sFn−1(a)+qa+n−2t Fn−2(a)(n≥2).F_n^{(a)}=sF_{n-1}^{(a)}+q^{a+n-2}t\,F_{n-2}^{(a)}\quad(n\ge2).

    Prove, by a condensation-type determinant argument, that for all m,n≥1m,n\ge1,

    Fn(0)Fn+m−1(1)−Fn−1(1)Fn+m(0)=(−t)n−1q(n2)Fm(n).F_n^{(0)}F_{n+m-1}^{(1)}-F_{n-1}^{(1)}F_{n+m}^{(0)} = (-t)^{n-1}q^{\binom n2}F_m^{(n)}.

    Result: For N≥0N\ge0, let MN(a)M_N^{(a)} be the N×NN\times N tridiagonal matrix with diagonal entries ss, superdiagonal entries −1-1, and subdiagonal entry in row ii equal to qa+i−1tq^{a+i-1}t. Put det⁡M0(a)=1\det M_0^{(a)}=1. Expanding along the last row gives

    det⁡MN(a)=sdet⁡MN−1(a)+qa+N−1tdet⁡MN−2(a),\det M_N^{(a)}=s\det M_{N-1}^{(a)}+q^{a+N-1}t\det M_{N-2}^{(a)},

    so

    det⁡MN(a)=FN+1(a).\det M_N^{(a)}=F_{N+1}^{(a)}.

    Assume n≥2n\ge2; the case n=1n=1 is immediate. Let N=n+m−1N=n+m-1 and A=MN(0)A=M_N^{(0)}. Apply the Desnanot-Jacobi identity, i.e. generalized Dodgson condensation, deleting rows/columns 1,n1,n:

    det⁡A det⁡A1,n^1,n^=det⁡A1^1^det⁡An^n^−det⁡A1^n^det⁡An^1^.\det A\,\det A_{\widehat{1,n}}^{\widehat{1,n}} = \det A_{\widehat1}^{\widehat1}\det A_{\widehat n}^{\widehat n} - \det A_{\widehat1}^{\widehat n}\det A_{\widehat n}^{\widehat1}.

    The minors are:

    det⁡A=Fn+m(0),det⁡A1^1^=Fn+m−1(1),\det A=F_{n+m}^{(0)},\qquad \det A_{\widehat1}^{\widehat1}=F_{n+m-1}^{(1)}, det⁡An^n^=Fn(0)Fm(n),det⁡A1,n^1,n^=Fn−1(1)Fm(n).\det A_{\widehat n}^{\widehat n}=F_n^{(0)}F_m^{(n)},\qquad \det A_{\widehat{1,n}}^{\widehat{1,n}}=F_{n-1}^{(1)}F_m^{(n)}.

    For the off-diagonal minors, forced expansion along the first n−1n-1 columns/rows gives

    det⁡A1^n^=tn−1q1+2+⋯+(n−1)Fm(n)=tn−1q(n2)Fm(n),\det A_{\widehat1}^{\widehat n} =t^{n-1}q^{1+2+\cdots+(n-1)}F_m^{(n)} =t^{n-1}q^{\binom n2}F_m^{(n)},

    and

    det⁡An^1^=(−1)n−1Fm(n).\det A_{\widehat n}^{\widehat1}=(-1)^{n-1}F_m^{(n)}.

    Substitution gives

    Fn+m(0)Fn−1(1)Fm(n)=Fn+m−1(1)Fn(0)Fm(n)−(−t)n−1q(n2)(Fm(n))2.F_{n+m}^{(0)}F_{n-1}^{(1)}F_m^{(n)} = F_{n+m-1}^{(1)}F_n^{(0)}F_m^{(n)} - (-t)^{n-1}q^{\binom n2}\bigl(F_m^{(n)}\bigr)^2.

    Since Z[s,t,q]\mathbb Z[s,t,q] is an integral domain and Fm(n)≠0F_m^{(n)}\neq0, cancel Fm(n)F_m^{(n)}. This yields

    Fn(0)Fn+m−1(1)−Fn−1(1)Fn+m(0)=(−t)n−1q(n2)Fm(n).F_n^{(0)}F_{n+m-1}^{(1)}-F_{n-1}^{(1)}F_{n+m}^{(0)} = (-t)^{n-1}q^{\binom n2}F_m^{(n)}.

    Thus the full theorem follows by a generalized Dodgson condensation argument.

    Citation: The identity itself is known: Johann Cigler, “qq-Fibonacci polynomials,” Fibonacci Quarterly 41(1):31–40, 2003. The proof above supplies the requested condensation-style proof, using the classical Desnanot-Jacobi/Dodgson condensation identity.

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    model says: correctGPT-5.5 xhigh (SMD judge 1)

    scope Full solution as submitted; SMD novelty classification KNOWN

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    The proof attacks the correct statement: it proves Theorem 4.1’s full qq-Euler-Cassini identity in exactly the shifted form stated in the paper. The tridiagonal determinant representation is correct, and applying Desnanot–Jacobi/Dodgson condensation with rows/columns 1,n1,n gives the listed diagonal and off-diagonal minors with the right powers and signs. After substitution, cancellation of the nonzero polynomial Fm(n)F_m^{(n)} is legitimate.

    The identity itself is known from Cigler, but that is not the open request; the proposed condensation-style proof appears to supply the requested argument.

    Novelty assessment

    KNOWN

    Classification rationale: The accepted argument is exactly a specialization of the classical Euler/continuant Ptolemy identity for tridiagonal determinants. The polynomials FN+1(a)F_{N+1}^{(a)} are generalized continuants, and the displayed Euler-Cassini identity follows by substituting the subdiagonal products qitq^i t and superdiagonal entries −1-1. Thus the condensation/Dodgson mechanism is not new; it is the standard Desnanot-Jacobi/Plücker relation for continuants.

    Literature check: I searched for the exact Amdeberhan–Chen–Moll–Sagan problem wording, title + “Dodgson”, “Theorem 4.1”, “Euler-Cassini”, and qq-Fibonacci determinant/continuant variants. I did not find a later paper spelling out this precise specialization. However, stronger general references do contain the underlying result: continuants are tridiagonal determinants, and Euler’s identities/Ptolemy-Plücker relations for continuants give precisely this type of determinant identity. The identity itself was already known from Cigler’s work on qq-Fibonacci polynomials.

    Citation: Thomas Muir, A Treatise on the Theory of Determinants, Dover, 1960, pp. 516–525 (continuants/generalized continuants). See also Sophie Morier-Genoud and Valentin Ovsienko, “qq-deformed rationals and qq-continued fractions,” Forum of Mathematics, Sigma 8 (2020), e13, §5.1 and Proposition 5.5. Identity cited in Johann Cigler, “qq-Fibonacci polynomials,” Fibonacci Quarterly 41(1):31–40, 2003.

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