Girth and Euclidean Distortion
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Another problem worth mentioning is whether the lower bound for still holds without the regularity assumptions, i.e. if we only assume that the graph has large girth and the degree of each vertex is greater than 2.
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Candidate 2 of the open problems stated in "Girth and Euclidean Distortion", extracted for the Scalable Mathematical Discovery run.
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Problem: Let be a finite connected simple unweighted graph with shortest-path metric , girth , and minimum degree . The reconstructed question is whether the Linial--Magen--Naor lower bound for regular graphs,
continues to hold without regularity. Here
where ranges over injective maps and distances on are .
This is the natural formalization of “large girth and the degree of each vertex is greater than ”: finite graph metric, minimum degree at least , no regularity assumption.
Result: The conjectured lower bound is true. In fact,
Proof. Let . Run the stationary simple random walk on , whose stationary measure is
The chain is reversible.
Fix a starting vertex . Since , during the first steps the distance
evolves locally as on a tree: whenever , there is exactly one neighbor of at distance from , and all other neighbors are at distance . Otherwise a cycle of length would be formed. Because ,
At , the next step increases the distance. Hence
Summing gives
and therefore, by Jensen,
Now let be scaled so that it is -Lipschitz and has distortion , i.e.
Hilbert space has Markov type with constant ; equivalently, for every stationary reversible Markov chain,
Since is -Lipschitz on edges,
so
On the other hand,
Thus
so
Taking the infimum over proves
The boundary case is genuinely different: cycles have arbitrarily large girth but embed into with bounded distortion. Thus the assumption is essential.
Citation: The exact nonregular statement is proved above. The Markov type inequality used is standard; see K. Ball, “Markov chains, Riesz transforms and Lipschitz maps,” Geom. Funct. Anal. 2 (1992), 137–172. The motivating regular-graph problem is from Linial--Magen--Naor, “Girth and Euclidean Distortion.”
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machine: correctscope Full solution as submitted; SMD novelty classification KNOWN
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The proof attacks the intended nonregular statement: finite connected graph, girth , minimum degree at least , and proves .
The argument is rigorous. For transitions , the ball explored from is tree-like, so the simple random walk distance from its start has outward drift at least . Averaging over the stationary reversible walk gives . Hilbert Markov type then gives the matching upper bound for any 1-Lipschitz embedding, forcing distortion .
The only minor imprecision is that the tree-like assertion is needed only for transitions , not necessarily at time ; with that reading the proof is complete. I did not find an existing stronger resolution in the available search.
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Classification rationale: The accepted proof is essentially already in the literature. Bartal–Linial–Mendel–Naor prove a stronger/similar Markov-type statement for graphs of girth and average degree , giving
Minimum degree at least implies , hence the desired bound. The candidate proof is the same stationary random-walk drift plus Hilbert Markov type argument, with only a negligible endpoint/constant sharpening.
Literature check: I searched for the original Linial–Magen–Naor problem and related terms (“Euclidean distortion”, “large girth”, “minimum/average degree”, “Markov type”, , and metric Ramsey references). The decisive reference is Section 6.1, “Graphs with large girth,” in Bartal–Linial–Mendel–Naor, where Theorem 6.1 explicitly removes regularity and even replaces it by an average-degree condition.
Citation: Y. Bartal, N. Linial, M. Mendel, and A. Naor, “On metric Ramsey-type phenomena,” Annals of Mathematics 162 (2005), 643–709, Theorem 6.1. DOI: 10.4007/annals.2005.162.643.
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