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Math 270: Interlacing Families Open Problems

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A warmup problem (which I have no idea how to solve, but which is experimentally plausible) is to show that given any line segments L1,...,LmL_{1},...,L_{m} in RnR^{n} , the Steiner polynomial p(t1,...,tm)=Vol⁡(t1L1+...+tmLm)p(t_{1},...,t_{m})=\operatorname{Vol}(t_{1}L_{1}+...+t_{m}L_{m})is hyperbolic.

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Candidate 5 of the open problems stated in "Math 270: Interlacing Families Open Problems", extracted for the Scalable Mathematical Discovery run.

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    Problem: Reconstructed statement: for line segments L1,…,Lm⊂RnL_1,\dots,L_m\subset \mathbb R^n, the homogeneous volume polynomial

    p(t1,…,tm)=Vol⁡n(t1L1+⋯+tmLm)p(t_1,\dots,t_m)=\operatorname{Vol}_n(t_1L_1+\cdots+t_mL_m)

    is hyperbolic with respect to the positive direction 1=(1,…,1)\mathbf 1=(1,\dots,1). Equivalently in this nonnegative-coefficient setting, it would be hyperbolic with respect to every positive direction.

    This is false.

    Result: Take n=4,m=7n=4,m=7, and let Li=[0,vi]L_i=[0,v_i], where the columns viv_i are the columns of

    V=(111−11011−1111−11110−11100111−1−10).V=\begin{pmatrix} 1&1&1&-1&1&0&1\\ 1&-1&1&1&1&-1&1\\ 1&1&0&-1&1&1&0\\ 0&1&1&1&-1&-1&0 \end{pmatrix}.

    For a zonotope generated by segments,

    p(t)=∑∣S∣=4∣det⁡VS∣∏i∈Sti.p(t)=\sum_{|S|=4} |\det V_S|\prod_{i\in S}t_i .

    Evaluate along the real line

    ti=xi+s,x=(1,3,3,3,−1,1,3).t_i=x_i+s,\qquad x=(1,3,3,3,-1,1,3).

    A direct computation of the 4×44\times4 minors gives

    p(x+s1)=64s4+490s3+1254s2+1110s+90.p(x+s\mathbf 1) =64s^4+490s^3+1254s^2+1110s+90.

    Factoring,

    p(x+s1)=2(s+3)(32s3+149s2+180s+15).p(x+s\mathbf 1)=2(s+3)(32s^3+149s^2+180s+15).

    The cubic factor has discriminant

    1492⋅1802−4⋅32⋅1803−4⋅1493⋅15−27⋅322⋅152+18⋅32⋅149⋅180⋅15=−156540<0.149^2\cdot180^2-4\cdot32\cdot180^3-4\cdot149^3\cdot15 -27\cdot32^2\cdot15^2+18\cdot32\cdot149\cdot180\cdot15 =-156540<0.

    Hence the cubic has one real root and one nonreal conjugate pair. Therefore p(x+s1)p(x+s\mathbf 1) does not have only real roots.

    Thus pp is not hyperbolic with respect to 1\mathbf 1, so the conjectured hyperbolicity of Steiner polynomials of line segments is false, even in a full-dimensional nondegenerate example.

    Citation: No known-source citation is used for the counterexample. The zonotope volume formula is classical; see e.g. Ziegler, Lectures on Polytopes, Chapter 7.

  2. Read by a language model on #1 · a reading, not a proof

    model says: correctGPT-5.5 xhigh (SMD judge 1)

    scope Full solution as submitted; SMD novelty classification TYPE2

    PASS

    The counterexample attacks the stated conjecture correctly. The zonotope volume formula used is valid for segments [0,vi][0,v_i], and the computed restriction

    p(x+s1)=64s4+490s3+1254s2+1110s+90p(x+s\mathbf 1)=64s^4+490s^3+1254s^2+1110s+90

    has a cubic factor with negative discriminant, hence nonreal roots. Therefore pp is not hyperbolic with respect to the positive direction 1\mathbf 1, disproving the conjectured hyperbolicity.

    Novelty assessment

    TYPE2

    Classification rationale: The result appears genuinely new and gives a concrete counterexample to a stated Marcus/Srivastava “warmup” open problem. It is not a major advance, since the proof is a direct finite computation and supplies no broader structural theorem, but it is a useful negative example: zonotope/line-segment volume polynomials are Lorentzian but need not be hyperbolic/real stable. This could plausibly support a short standalone note in a standard combinatorics/discrete geometry journal, but not a top-journal paper.

    Literature check: I found no prior source giving this counterexample or the stronger statement that line-segment Steiner/zonotope volume polynomials fail hyperbolicity. Searches covered the exact problem wording, “Steiner polynomial” + line segments/hyperbolic, zonotope volume polynomial/stability, mixed-volume polynomial/stability, matroid half-plane-property literature, and recent Lorentzian/volume-polynomial papers.

    Adjacent known results do not subsume it: Choe–Oxley–Sokal–Wagner prove stability for determinant-squared coefficients ∑∣det⁡VS∣2xS\sum |\det V_S|^2 x^S, not for ∑∣det⁡VS∣xS\sum |\det V_S|x^S; Brändén–Huh imply volume polynomials are Lorentzian, which is weaker than hyperbolicity/stability. Recent papers on volume versus Lorentzian polynomials likewise discuss the broader landscape but do not give this zonotope counterexample.

    Citation: No known prior citation for the counterexample. Relevant adjacent references: Choe–Oxley–Sokal–Wagner, Homogeneous multivariate polynomials with the half-plane property, Adv. Appl. Math. 32 (2004); Brändén–Huh, Lorentzian polynomials, Ann. of Math. 192 (2020).

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