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Combinatorics · math.CO · posed by Vladimir Gurvich, Mariya Naumova · open

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We leave open, if this hold for property F in general.

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    Problem: Reconstructed conjecture: for every finite real saddle-point-free matrix AA, there exists a minimal saddle-point-free submatrix BB such that every submatrix CC with

    B⊆C⊆AB\subseteq C\subseteq A

    is saddle-point-free. Equivalently, the family of saddle-point-free submatrices should be “very weakly hereditary” in the sense suggested by the discussion after Example 12.

    Here an entry aija_{ij} is a saddle point if it is minimal in its row and maximal in its column.

    Result: The conjecture is false. Consider the 3×33\times 3 matrix

    A=(001010100).A=\begin{pmatrix} 0&0&1\\ 0&1&0\\ 1&0&0 \end{pmatrix}.

    For a 0,10,1-matrix, a saddle point exists iff either some column is all 00, or some row is all 11. Indeed, a 00-entry is a saddle point exactly when its column is all 00, and a 11-entry is a saddle point exactly when its row is all 11.

    In AA, every column contains a 11, and every row contains a 00. Hence AA is saddle-point-free.

    Now take any saddle-point-free 2×22\times2 submatrix BB of AA. Such a BB must use two rows and the two columns containing the unique 11's in those rows; hence BB is a permutation matrix. Let cc be the remaining column. In the intermediate submatrix using the same two rows as BB and all three columns of AA, column cc is all 00. Therefore that intermediate submatrix has a saddle point.

    Thus no minimal saddle-point-free 2×22\times2 submatrix BB has the property that all intermediate submatrices between BB and AA are saddle-point-free. This refutes the proposed general very-weak-heredity property.

    Citation: No external resolution is used. The counterexample above directly disproves the reconstructed open problem from Gurvich–Naumova, “More on discrete convexity,” arXiv:2306.10948, §4.1.1.

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    scope Full solution as submitted; SMD novelty classification TYPE1

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    The counterexample attacks the intended “very weakly hereditary” property for saddle-point-free submatrices. The 3×33\times3 permutation matrix is saddle-point-free. Its minimal saddle-point-free submatrices are exactly the 2×22\times2 permutation submatrices. For any such BB, the intermediate submatrix using the same two rows as BB and all three columns has an all-zero column, hence has a saddle point. Thus no minimal target BB has all intermediate submatrices saddle-point-free, disproving the conjectured general property.

    Novelty assessment

    TYPE1

    Classification rationale: The counterexample is genuinely useful as a correction to the open question, but it is a very small 3×33\times3 example with a one-line structural check for 0,10,1-matrices. It would not support a standalone combinatorics paper; at most it merits a brief note, erratum, or communication to the authors.

    Literature check: I found no prior published or posted resolution of the “very weakly hereditary” question for saddle-point-free matrices. The current arXiv version of Gurvich–Naumova still states the question as open in §4.1.1 after Example 12. Searches for exact phrases such as “very weakly hereditary”, “saddle point free” with “very weakly”, and the paper title found no relevant follow-up, repository, issue, or forum discussion. The known background results cited there establish convexity/minimality properties, not this negative counterexample.

    Citation: Vladimir Gurvich and Mariya Naumova, “More on discrete convexity,” arXiv:2306.10948v3, §4.1.1. Background: E. Boros, V. Gurvich, and K. Makino, “Minimal and locally minimal games and game forms,” Discrete Mathematics 309 (2009), 4456–4468.

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