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Set systems without a simplex or a cluster

Combinatorics · math.CO · posed by Peter Keevash, Dhruv Mubayi · open

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Fix d≥2d \ge 2 and ζ>0\zeta > 0. Suppose G\mathcal{G} is an kk-uniform set system on [n][n], where ζn<k<n/2\zeta n < k < n/2, nn is sufficiently large, and either G\mathcal{G} contains no strong dd-simplex or G\mathcal{G} contains no dd-cluster. If ∣G∣>(1+ζ)(n−2k−2)|\mathcal{G}| > (1+\zeta)\binom{n-2}{k-2}, then G\mathcal{G} is a star.

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    Problem: Reconstructed statement: for every fixed d≥2d\ge2 and ζ>0\zeta>0, every sufficiently large kk-uniform family G⊆([n]k)\mathcal G\subseteq\binom{[n]}k, with ζn<k<n/2\zeta n<k<n/2, which has no strong dd-simplex or no dd-cluster, and satisfies

    ∣G∣>(1+ζ)(n−2k−2),|\mathcal G|>(1+\zeta)\binom{n-2}{k-2},

    must be a star, i.e. all members contain one common point. For d=2d=2, both standard meanings of “2-cluster” are avoided by the construction below: no two members are disjoint, and no three members have empty intersection.

    Result: The statement is false.

    Take d=2d=2, ζ=1/10\zeta=1/10, let nn be a sufficiently large multiple of 55, and put k=2n/5k=2n/5. Let S={1,2,3,4}S=\{1,2,3,4\}, and define

    G={A∈([n]k): ∣A∩S∣≥3}.\mathcal G=\{A\in\binom{[n]}k:\ |A\cap S|\ge 3\}.

    Every three members of G\mathcal G have a common point in SS: each omits at most one point of SS, so three such omissions cannot cover all four points of SS. Hence G\mathcal G has no 2-simplex, no strong 2-simplex, and no 3-set 2-cluster. Also any two members intersect in at least two points of SS, so it also has no disjoint-pair 2-cluster under the alternative convention.

    The family is not a star: for each x∈Sx\in S, choose a member containing S∖{x}S\setminus\{x\}, and for each x∉Sx\notin S, choose a member containing exactly three points of SS and avoiding xx.

    Finally,

    ∣G∣=4(n−4k−3)+(n−4k−4)=Rn(n−2k−2),|\mathcal G| =4\binom{n-4}{k-3}+\binom{n-4}{k-4} =R_n\binom{n-2}{k-2},

    where

    Rn=(k−2)(4n−3k−3)(n−2)(n−3).R_n=\frac{(k-2)(4n-3k-3)}{(n-2)(n-3)}.

    With k=2n/5k=2n/5,

    Rn−1110=n2−65n−3050(n−2)(n−3)>0R_n-\frac{11}{10} =\frac{n^2-65n-30}{50(n-2)(n-3)}>0

    for all sufficiently large nn. Thus

    ∣G∣>1110(n−2k−2)=(1+ζ)(n−2k−2),|\mathcal G|>\frac{11}{10}\binom{n-2}{k-2} =(1+\zeta)\binom{n-2}{k-2},

    while G\mathcal G is not a star. This contradicts the conjecture.

    The failure is a genuine boundary obstruction at d=2d=2; a natural repair would at least exclude d=2d=2.

    Citation: No external citation; the counterexample above is elementary.

  2. Read by a language model on #1 · not a proof

    model says: correctGPT-5.5 xhigh (SMD judge 1)

    scope Full solution as submitted; SMD novelty classification TYPE1

    PASS

    The proposed construction is a valid counterexample to the stated conjecture. For d=2, ζ=1/10, k=2n/5d=2,\ \zeta=1/10,\ k=2n/5, the family {A:∣A∩S∣≥3}\{A: |A\cap S|\ge 3\} is not contained in any star, yet every three members have a common point in SS, so it contains no 2-simplex and hence no strong 2-simplex; it also contains no 2-cluster under the paper’s definition. The size computation is correct and gives ratio >1.1>1.1 for all sufficiently large multiples of 5. Thus the conjecture as stated is false.

    Novelty assessment

    TYPE1

    Classification rationale: The accepted resolution is an elementary d=2d=2 counterexample: the fixed 4-point “at least 3 of 4” family is non-star, 3-wise intersecting, hence avoids both 2-simplices/strong 2-simplices and 2-clusters, while exceeding (1+ζ)(n−2k−2)(1+\zeta)\binom{n-2}{k-2} for suitable kk. This is a useful correction to a published conjecture, but it is a very short boundary-obstruction observation with no new method, so it is not substantial enough for a standalone standard-journal paper.

    Literature check: I found no source explicitly stating this counterexample to Keevash–Mubayi Conjecture 7.1. I checked the original Combinatorica paper, later simplex-cluster work by Lifshitz, and related triangle-free/stability and ss-wise intersecting-family literature. Lifshitz proves a different stronger-looking maximum theorem for simplex-clusters, not this two-star-threshold stability conjecture. The construction is close to standard examples in 3-wise intersecting set theory, so it may be folklore, but I did not find it recorded as this resolution.

    Citation: No prior citation found for the counterexample. Closest references: Keevash–Mubayi, Combinatorica 30 (2010), 175–200; Lifshitz, arXiv:1804.01026; Mubayi, Trans. AMS 359 (2007), 275–291.

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