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The size Ramsey number of a directed path

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An interesting question is whether every red-blue coloring of a k-pseudorandom graph contains a monochromatic path of length \Omega(\frac{n}{\sqrt{k}}).

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Candidate 1 of the open problems stated in "The size Ramsey number of a directed path", extracted for the Scalable Mathematical Discovery run.

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    Problem: In Ben-Eliezer–Krivelevich–Sudakov’s terminology, a directed graph G=(V,E)G=(V,E) is kk-pseudorandom if for every two disjoint sets A,BVA,B\subseteq V with A,Bk|A|,|B|\ge k, there is an edge directed from AA to BB. The literal question asks whether some absolute c>0c>0 guarantees that every red-blue coloring of every kk-pseudorandom directed graph on nn vertices has a monochromatic directed path of length at least cn/kc n/\sqrt{k}. There is a possible stronger “tournament” interpretation, but the paper’s Definition 4.1 allows missing edges, so I resolve that literal formulation.

    Result: The literal statement is false.

    For large kk, set

    s=k/2,r=2k/16,n=rs.s=\lfloor k/2\rfloor,\qquad r=\lfloor 2^{k/16}\rfloor,\qquad n=rs.

    Partition VV into rr parts V1,,VrV_1,\dots,V_r, each of size ss. Put no edges inside parts. Between every two vertices in different parts, orient the edge independently uniformly at random.

    For fixed disjoint A,BA,B of size kk, write ai=AVia_i=|A\cap V_i|, bi=BVib_i=|B\cap V_i|. The number mm of cross-part pairs in A×BA\times B is

    m=k2iaibi.m=k^2-\sum_i a_i b_i.

    Since ai+bisa_i+b_i\le s,

    aibis4(ai+bi),a_i b_i\le \frac{s}{4}(a_i+b_i),

    so

    iaibis4i(ai+bi)=sk2k24.\sum_i a_i b_i\le \frac{s}{4}\sum_i(a_i+b_i)=\frac{sk}{2}\le \frac{k^2}{4}.

    Thus m3k2/4m\ge 3k^2/4. Hence the probability that there is no edge from AA to BB is at most 23k2/42^{-3k^2/4}. Union-bounding over at most (nk)2(en/k)2k\binom nk^2\le (en/k)^{2k} ordered pairs gives probability at most

    (en/k)2k23k2/4(e2k/16)2k23k2/4<1(en/k)^{2k}2^{-3k^2/4} \le (e2^{k/16})^{2k}2^{-3k^2/4}<1

    for all sufficiently large kk. Therefore some such oriented graph is kk-pseudorandom.

    Now color every edge from ViV_i to VjV_j red if i<ji<j, and blue if i>ji>j. Along a red directed path the part index strictly increases; along a blue directed path it strictly decreases. Therefore every monochromatic directed path has length at most r1r-1. But

    rn/k=ks0.\frac{r}{n/\sqrt{k}}=\frac{\sqrt{k}}{s}\to 0.

    So these colorings have no monochromatic directed path of length Ω(n/k)\Omega(n/\sqrt{k}).

    The failure comes from the absence of a tournament/completeness assumption: independent parts of size <k<k are invisible to the kk-pseudorandomness condition.

    Citation: Definition and problem: Ido Ben-Eliezer, Michael Krivelevich, Benny Sudakov, “The size Ramsey number of a directed path,” arXiv:1005.5171, Definition 4.1 and Section 5. No resolving citation used; the counterexample above is given here.

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      machine: correct

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      The proposed construction is a rigorous counterexample to the literal k-pseudorandom directed graph statement. The random complete multipartite orientation is correctly shown to be k-pseudorandom by the union bound, since every two disjoint k-sets have Ω(k²) cross-part pairs. The coloring by increasing/decreasing part index then forces every red path to strictly increase parts and every blue path to strictly decrease parts, so every monochromatic directed path has length at most r = o(n/√k). Thus no universal Ω(n/√k) bound can hold under Definition 4.1 allowing missing edges. This does not address a stronger tournament-only version.

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      Classification rationale: The counterexample appears to be a valid resolution of the literal formulation, but its significance is minor. It exploits an immediate loophole in the definition: independent parts of size <k<k are invisible to the kk-pseudorandomness condition. The construction is a short blow-up/random-orientation argument and does not address the intended tournament/random-tournament version. It would be suitable as a remark or erratum, not a standalone publishable paper.

      Literature check: I found no published source containing this multipartite counterexample or explicitly stating that the literal BEKS kk-pseudorandom digraph question is false. The main related paper by Bucić–Letzter–Sudakov proves the corresponding random-tournament result, but that is not a stronger result for arbitrary oriented graphs with missing edges. Searches around “k-pseudorandom”, “monochromatic path”, “n/kn/\sqrt{k}”, “size Ramsey number of a directed path”, and complete multipartite/blow-up counterexamples did not reveal a prior resolving citation.

      Citation: No resolving citation found. Relevant background: Ben-Eliezer, Krivelevich, Sudakov, “The size Ramsey number of a directed path,” arXiv:1005.5171; and Bucić, Letzter, Sudakov, “Monochromatic paths in random tournaments,” Random Structures & Algorithms 54 (2019), 69–81.

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