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Tropical complexes of submatrices of tree metrics

Combinatorics · math.CO · posed by Yaokun Wu, Zeying Xu · open

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How can we read the combinatorics of the point configuration S ⊂ TT^X from the split system of C_S ?

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    Problem: Reconstructed statement: for a finite point configuration S⊂TTXS\subset \mathbb{TT}^X, does the edge-split system Σ(CS)\Sigma(C_S) of its tropical complex determine the combinatorial type of SS or CSC_S? This is the natural yes/no formalization of “read the combinatorics … from the split system.”

    Result: No. The split system alone is insufficient.

    Use max-plus coordinates in TT{1,2,3}\mathbb{TT}^{\{1,2,3\}}, with affine chart z3=0z_3=0, so points are (x,y)(x,y). Edge directions (1,0),(0,1),(1,1)(1,0),(0,1),(1,1) correspond respectively to the splits

    1∣23,2∣13,12∣3.1|23,\qquad 2|13,\qquad 12|3 .

    Consider

    S1={(−1,0),(0,−1),(1,1)}.S_1=\{(-1,0),(0,-1),(1,1)\}.

    Its tropical convex hull, hence CS1C_{S_1}, is the tripod

    [−1,0]×{0}  ∪  {0}×[−1,0]  ∪  {(t,t):0≤t≤1}.[-1,0]\times\{0\}\;\cup\;\{0\}\times[-1,0]\;\cup\;\{(t,t):0\le t\le1\}.

    Thus

    Σ(CS1)={1∣23,  2∣13,  12∣3}.\Sigma(C_{S_1})=\{1|23,\;2|13,\;12|3\}.

    Now consider

    S2={(0,0),(1,0),(0,1)}.S_2=\{(0,0),(1,0),(0,1)\}.

    A direct tropical-combination computation gives

    tconv⁡(S2)=[0,1]2.\operatorname{tconv}(S_2)=[0,1]^2.

    The induced tropical complex is cut by the diagonal x=yx=y, so its one-dimensional cells have directions (1,0),(0,1),(1,1)(1,0),(0,1),(1,1). Hence

    Σ(CS2)={1∣23,  2∣13,  12∣3}\Sigma(C_{S_2})=\{1|23,\;2|13,\;12|3\}

    as well.

    But CS1C_{S_1} is one-dimensional, while CS2C_{S_2} has two-dimensional cells. Therefore the two configurations have the same split system but different combinatorics. So the requested recovery is impossible from the split system alone.

    Citation: No exact published resolution is invoked. Background: Develin–Sturmfels, “Tropical convexity,” Documenta Mathematica 9 (2004), for tropical convex hulls and tropical complexes.

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    scope Full solution as submitted; SMD novelty classification KNOWN

    PASS

    The proposed counterexample is mathematically valid for the natural interpretation that the split system is the set of edge splits of CSC_S. The two configurations in TT{1,2,3}\mathbb{TT}^{\{1,2,3\}} have the same edge-direction split set {1∣23,2∣13,12∣3}\{1|23,2|13,12|3\}, but their tropical complexes have different dimensions: CS1C_{S_1} is a tripod, while CS2C_{S_2} has two-dimensional cells. Hence the split system alone cannot determine the combinatorics of SS or CSC_S.

    Novelty assessment

    KNOWN

    Classification rationale: The accepted counterexample is not a new resolution. Under the yes/no interpretation “does the split system determine the full combinatorics?”, the negative answer is already implicit in standard tropical-plane examples and in Wu–Xu’s own paper: in TT3\mathbb{TT}^3, the split system records only which of the three possible edge directions occur, so 1-dimensional and 2-dimensional tropical complexes can have the same split set.

    Literature check: The original Wu–Xu paper defines edge splits just before Example 4.8. Example 4.9 then exhibits, for a three-point tree metric, a 2-dimensional tropical complex CDC_D and a 1-dimensional star −tconv⁡[−D]-\operatorname{tconv}[-D]; both have edges in the same three split directions of X={a,b,c}X=\{a,b,c\}, but their face posets/dimensions differ. This is essentially the same phenomenon as the proposed S1,S2S_1,S_2 counterexample. Searches for the exact question and related phrases did not reveal a later standalone “solution”; the relevant counterexample is already present in the source literature.

    Citation: Y. Wu and Z. Xu, “Tropical complexes of submatrices of tree metrics,” 2017, definition before Example 4.8 and Example 4.9. See also Develin–Sturmfels, “Tropical Convexity,” Documenta Math. 9 (2004), for the basic tropical-complex framework.

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