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First of all, is it possible to sharpen Theorem 1 to the assertion that ‘colex is best’: if A⊂[n](3)\mathcal{A} \subset [n]^{(3)}, and C\mathcal{C} is the set of the first ∣A∣|\mathcal{A}| elements of [n](3)[n]^{(3)} in the colex order, then must we have ∣VA∣≥∣VC∣|V\mathcal{A}| \ge |V\mathcal{C}|?

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  1. exploration by a model · #1

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    Problem: Reconstructed statement: for A⊂[n](3)\mathcal A\subset [n]^{(3)}, let ∂A⊂[n](2)\partial\mathcal A\subset[n]^{(2)} be its lower shadow, and let

    VA={Q∈[n](4): Q=P1∪P2 for two disjoint P1,P2∈∂A}.V\mathcal A=\{Q\in[n]^{(4)}:\ Q=P_1\cup P_2\text{ for two disjoint }P_1,P_2\in\partial\mathcal A\}.

    Equivalently, VAV\mathcal A is the set of 4-sets containing two disjoint edges of the shadow graph ∂A\partial\mathcal A. The conjecture asks whether, if C\mathcal C is the first ∣A∣|\mathcal A| triples in colex order, then always

    ∣VA∣≥∣VC∣.|V\mathcal A|\ge |V\mathcal C|.

    Result: The statement is false. Take n=7n=7. Let S={1,2,3,4}S=\{1,2,3,4\}, T={5,6,7}T=\{5,6,7\}, and

    A=S(3)∪{{i,j,t}:i,j∈S, i<j, t∈T}.\mathcal A=S^{(3)}\cup\{\{i,j,t\}: i,j\in S,\ i<j,\ t\in T\}.

    Then

    ∣A∣=(43)+(42)⋅3=4+18=22.|\mathcal A|=\binom43+\binom42\cdot 3=4+18=22.

    Its shadow graph has edge set

    ∂A=S(2)∪{{s,t}:s∈S, t∈T},\partial\mathcal A=S^{(2)}\cup\{\{s,t\}:s\in S,\ t\in T\},

    with no edges inside TT. A 4-set Q⊂[7]Q\subset[7] fails to lie in VAV\mathcal A exactly when ∣Q∩S∣=1|Q\cap S|=1, since then the induced shadow graph is a star. There are

    (41)(33)=4\binom41\binom33=4

    such 4-sets. Hence

    ∣VA∣=(74)−4=35−4=31.|V\mathcal A|=\binom74-4=35-4=31.

    Now let C\mathcal C be the first 22 triples of [7](3)[7]^{(3)} in colex order. Since (63)=20\binom63=20,

    C=[6](3)∪{{1,2,7},{1,3,7}}.\mathcal C=[6]^{(3)}\cup\{\{1,2,7\},\{1,3,7\}\}.

    Thus ∂C\partial\mathcal C is the complete graph on [6][6], together with edges 71,72,7371,72,73. Therefore every 4-set inside [6][6] is in VCV\mathcal C, giving (64)=15\binom64=15 sets. A 4-set containing 77 is in VCV\mathcal C unless its other three vertices are {4,5,6}\{4,5,6\}. Thus there are (63)−1=19\binom63-1=19 further sets. Hence

    ∣VC∣=15+19=34.|V\mathcal C|=15+19=34.

    So

    ∣VA∣=31<34=∣VC∣,|V\mathcal A|=31<34=|V\mathcal C|,

    contradicting the proposed “colex is best” inequality.

    Verification audit: the example has the same ground set, the same family size 2222, and uses the standard union-of-shadows interpretation of VAV\mathcal A. The colex initial segment is computed explicitly, and both VV-sizes are counted directly.

    Citation: Problem source: Béla Bollobás and Imre Leader, “Union of shadows,” Theoretical Computer Science, 2003. The counterexample above is given directly here; no external disproof is used.

  2. Read by a language model on #1 · not a proof

    model says: correctGPT-5.5 xhigh (SMD judge 1)

    scope Full solution as submitted; SMD novelty classification TYPE1

    PASS

    The counterexample is valid for the stated “colex is best” inequality. For n=7n=7, the proposed A\mathcal A has ∣A∣=22|\mathcal A|=22, and its shadow graph is K4K_4 joined to an independent 3-set, giving ∣VA∣=35−4=31|V\mathcal A|=35-4=31. The first 22 triples in colex are [6](3)∪{127,137}[6]^{(3)}\cup\{127,137\}, whose shadow graph gives ∣VC∣=35−1=34|V\mathcal C|=35-1=34. Hence ∣VA∣<∣VC∣|V\mathcal A|<|V\mathcal C|, directly disproving the conjectured sharpening. I found no prior similar disproof in the literature searches performed.

    Novelty assessment

    TYPE1

    Classification rationale: The result is a valid negative answer to a published open question, but it is only a small explicit counterexample on n=7n=7 with elementary counting. It introduces no general method or broader extremal theorem. Useful as a correction/remark, but likely too minor for a standalone standard combinatorics paper.

    Literature check: I found no prior occurrence of this counterexample or a stronger disproof. DBLP confirms the source paper and DOI. OpenAlex lists the paper with cited_by_count 0. Semantic Scholar searches for “Union of shadows”, “colex is best”, and “Bollobas Leader colex shadow” produced only the original paper or unrelated colex/shadow papers. DuckDuckGo exact search for "Union of shadows" "colex" returned no relevant results.

    Citation: Béla Bollobás and Imre Leader, “Union of shadows,” Theoretical Computer Science 307(3) (2003), 493–502, DOI: 10.1016/S0304-3975(03)00233-0.

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