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AN INVITATION TO THE GENERALIZED SATURATION CONJECTURE

Combinatorics · math.CO · posed by Anatol N. Kirillov · open

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Does there exist a natural filtration {0=\mathcal{F}{0}\subset \mathcal{F}{1}\subset \cdots } on the ring of semi-invariants SI(Q,\beta) such that for a special quiver Q=T_{n,n,n} and a special dimensional vector \beta , see [14], Section 3,

[\sum_{j \geq 1}\operatorname{dim}(\mathcal{F}{j}/\mathcal{F}{j-1})q^{j}\stackrel{\bullet}{=}c_{\lambda,\mu}^{\nu}(q)?]

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    Problem: Reconstructed literal statement: for the Derksen–Weyman triple-flag quiver Q=Tn,n,nQ=T_{n,n,n} with its special dimension vector β\beta, there is an exhaustive increasing filtration

    0=F0⊂F1⊂⋯⊂SI(Q,β)0=\mathcal F_0\subset \mathcal F_1\subset\cdots\subset SI(Q,\beta)

    of the whole semi-invariant ring such that

    ∑j≥1dim⁡(Fj/Fj−1)qj≐cλ,μν(q),\sum_{j\ge1}\dim(\mathcal F_j/\mathcal F_{j-1})q^j \doteq c_{\lambda,\mu}^{\nu}(q),

    where P≐QP\doteq Q means P/QP/Q is a power of qq. This is the literal reading, since the question says “on the ring of semi-invariants” rather than on a fixed weight space.

    Result: The literal statement is false.

    Indeed, take Q=T2,2,2Q=T_{2,2,2}, the three-arrow triple-flag quiver with one central vertex of dimension 22 and three outer vertices of dimension 11. Then

    Rep⁡(Q,β)≅(C2)3,SL(Q,β)=SL2,\operatorname{Rep}(Q,\beta)\cong (\mathbb C^2)^3, \qquad SL(Q,\beta)=SL_2,

    so

    SI(Q,β)=C[(C2)3]SL2.SI(Q,\beta)=\mathbb C[(\mathbb C^2)^3]^{SL_2}.

    Writing the three vectors as vi=(xi,yi)v_i=(x_i,y_i), the determinant

    Δ12=x1y2−y1x2\Delta_{12}=x_1y_2-y_1x_2

    is a nonconstant SL2SL_2-invariant. Hence all powers Δ12m\Delta_{12}^m are nonzero and linearly independent. Thus SI(Q,β)SI(Q,\beta) is infinite-dimensional.

    But cλ,μν(q)c_{\lambda,\mu}^{\nu}(q) is a finite polynomial. If an exhaustive filtration of the whole ring had

    ∑j≥1dim⁡(Fj/Fj−1)qj\sum_{j\ge1}\dim(\mathcal F_j/\mathcal F_{j-1})q^j

    equal, up to a power of qq, to this finite polynomial, then only finitely many quotients could be nonzero, so SI(Q,β)SI(Q,\beta) would be finite-dimensional. Contradiction.

    Thus the defect is that the question should not refer to the whole ring. The natural repair is to replace SI(Q,β)SI(Q,\beta) by the finite-dimensional weight space SI(Q,β)σSI(Q,\beta)_\sigma whose dimension equals the Littlewood–Richardson coefficient in Derksen–Weyman’s construction. Without a precise meaning of “natural,” the repaired existence question becomes trivial: any positive-coefficient polynomial specializing to dim⁡SI(Q,β)σ\dim SI(Q,\beta)_\sigma gives some filtration by choosing subspaces of the prescribed dimensions.

    Citation: Kirillov, “An Invitation to the Generalized Saturation Conjecture,” Question 1.16. Derksen–Weyman, “Semi-invariants of quivers and saturation for Littlewood-Richardson coefficients,” JAMS 13 (2000), §3, for the triple-flag quiver setup.

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      machine: correct

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      The disproof is rigorous for the literal statement. For T2,2,2T_{2,2,2} with the Derksen–Weyman dimension vector, Rep⁡(Q,β)≅(C2)3 \operatorname{Rep}(Q,\beta)\cong(\mathbb C^2)^3 and SI(Q,β)=C[(C2)3]SL2SI(Q,\beta)=\mathbb C[(\mathbb C^2)^3]^{SL_2}, which contains the nonconstant invariant Δ12\Delta_{12} and hence is infinite-dimensional. An exhaustive filtration of the whole ring whose graded-dimension series equals a finite polynomial cλ,μν(q)c_{\lambda,\mu}^{\nu}(q) would force the ring to be finite-dimensional, a contradiction.

      The argument only resolves the literal “whole ring” wording; the intended finite weight-space version would be a different question.

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      TYPE1

      Classification rationale: The resolution is a valid but very minor literal-wording counterexample. It only shows that Kirillov’s question cannot mean the whole semi-invariant ring, since that ring is infinite-dimensional already for T2,2,2T_{2,2,2}. This is an immediate observation from standard invariant theory and does not address the intended finite weight-space/“natural filtration” question. Not publishable as a standalone result.

      Literature check: I found no published paper or note explicitly answering Kirillov Question 1.16 by pointing out this literal defect. Searches for the exact question text, “q-analog of dimSI,” “Question 1.16” with Kirillov/generalized saturation, and combinations involving SI(Q,β)SI(Q,\beta), triple-flag quivers, filtrations, and Littlewood–Richardson qq-analogues led back to Kirillov’s paper, Derksen–Weyman’s setup, or unrelated filtration/q-analogue literature. Kirillov citations indexed in OpenAlex/Semantic-style metadata also did not reveal an explicit correction.

      However, the ingredient used in the counterexample is classical: for SL2SL_2 acting on several binary vectors, the invariant ring contains the bracket determinants and is infinite-dimensional. Thus the observation is essentially a routine corollary of standard invariant theory rather than a new combinatorial contribution.

      Citation: Kirillov, “An Invitation to the Generalized Saturation Conjecture,” Question 1.16.
      Derksen–Weyman, “Semi-invariants of quivers and saturation for Littlewood-Richardson coefficients,” JAMS 13 (2000).
      Classical FFT for SL2SL_2 invariants, e.g. Weyl, The Classical Groups.

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