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Asymptotic Behaviour of the Containment of Certain Mesh Patterns

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If p=, then lim⁡n→∞sn+(p)n!=12\lim_{n \to\infty}\frac{s_{n}^{+}(p)}{n!}=\frac{1}{2} .

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    Problem: The intended Conjecture 5.1 is the following. Let p=(2143,R)p=(2143,R) be the mesh pattern with

    R={(0,0),(1,0),(2,0),(3,0),(4,1),(4,2),(4,3),(0,4),(1,4),(2,4),(3,4),(4,4)}.R=\{(0,0),(1,0),(2,0),(3,0),(4,1),(4,2),(4,3),(0,4),(1,4),(2,4),(3,4),(4,4)\}.

    Let sn+(p)s_n^+(p) be the number of permutations in SnS_n containing pp in the usual mesh-pattern sense. Then

    lim⁡n→∞sn+(p)n!=12.\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{s_n^+(p)}{n!}=\frac12 .

    The input lost the displayed pattern; the source TeX gives exactly this \patt42,1,4,3\patt{}{4}{2,1,4,3}-pattern.

    Result: Let

    p+=(2143,R∪{(4,0)}).p^+=(2143,R\cup\{(4,0)\}).

    Since R⊂R∪{(4,0)}R\subset R\cup\{(4,0)\}, every occurrence of p+p^+ is an occurrence of pp.

    First, Pr⁡(σ∈Sn contains p+)→1/2\Pr(\sigma\in S_n\text{ contains }p^+)\to 1/2. For p+p^+, the shading forces an occurrence to be a subword

    a 1 n σna\,1\,n\,\sigma_n

    with 1<a<σn<n1<a<\sigma_n<n. Thus containment implies that 11 occurs before nn, an event of probability 1/21/2. Conversely, if 11 occurs before nn, nn is not last, and some entry before 11 lies in {2,…,σn−1}\{2,\dots,\sigma_n-1\}, then p+p^+ occurs.

    Conditioning on σn=j\sigma_n=j, the probability that no element of {2,…,j−1}\{2,\dots,j-1\} occurs before 11 is 1/(j−1)1/(j-1). Hence the exceptional probability is at most

    1n+1n∑j=2n1j−1=O ⁣(log⁡nn).\frac1n+\frac1n\sum_{j=2}^n \frac1{j-1}=O\!\left(\frac{\log n}{n}\right).

    Therefore

    Pr⁡(σ contains p+)→12.\Pr(\sigma\text{ contains }p^+)\to \frac12 .

    It remains to show that pp-containment without p+p^+-containment is negligible. Suppose pp occurs in σ\sigma at positions

    i1<i2<i3<i4i_1<i_2<i_3<i_4

    with selected values v1,v2,v3,v4v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4, so

    v2<v1<v4<v3.v_2<v_1<v_4<v_3.

    The top-row shading forces v3=nv_3=n. The bottom-row shading except (4,0)(4,0) forces all values <v2<v_2 to lie after i4i_4. The right-column shading forces every value after i4i_4 to be <v2<v_2. Hence the suffix after i4i_4 is exactly

    {1,…,v2−1},\{1,\dots,v_2-1\},

    so the prefix of length m=i4m=i_4 is exactly the set of largest mm values. If m=nm=n, the same occurrence also satisfies the extra shaded cell (4,0)(4,0), so it is an occurrence of p+p^+. Thus a permutation containing pp but not p+p^+ has a proper skew cut: for some 1≤m<n1\le m<n, its first mm entries are precisely the largest mm values.

    For fixed mm, this has probability (nm)−1\binom{n}{m}^{-1}. Therefore

    Pr⁡(p occurs but p+ does not)≤∑m=1n−1(nm)−1≤4n=o(1).\Pr(p\text{ occurs but }p^+\text{ does not}) \le \sum_{m=1}^{n-1}\binom{n}{m}^{-1} \le \frac{4}{n}=o(1).

    Thus

    Pr⁡(p+ occurs)≤Pr⁡(p occurs)≤Pr⁡(p+ occurs)+o(1),\Pr(p^+\text{ occurs}) \le \Pr(p\text{ occurs}) \le \Pr(p^+\text{ occurs})+o(1),

    and so

    lim⁡n→∞sn+(p)n!=12.\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{s_n^+(p)}{n!}=\frac12 .

    Citation: Govc and Smith, “Asymptotic Behaviour of the Containment of Certain Mesh Patterns,” arXiv:2011.11382, Section 5, Conjecture 5.1. The proof above resolves that conjecture; the auxiliary p+p^+ case is their side-shaded pattern.

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    model says: correctGPT-5.5 xhigh (SMD judge 1)

    scope Full solution as submitted; SMD novelty classification TYPE1

    PASS

    The proof attacks the correct Conjecture 5.1 pattern: the 21432143 mesh pattern with top row, bottom row except (4,0)(4,0), and right column except (4,0)(4,0) shaded.

    The argument is rigorous. Adding (4,0)(4,0) gives the side-shaded pattern whose containment probability tends to 1/21/2. Any occurrence of the original pattern that is not an occurrence of this stronger pattern forces a proper skew cut: the first m<nm<n entries are exactly the largest mm values. The probability of any such cut is at most ∑m=1n−1(nm)−1=o(1)\sum_{m=1}^{n-1}\binom{n}{m}^{-1}=o(1). Hence the two containment probabilities have the same limit, 1/21/2.

    I found no prior published resolution beyond the already-known auxiliary side-shaded case.

    Novelty assessment

    TYPE1

    Classification rationale: Genuinely new as far as I could determine, but very minor. The proof is a short consequence of Govc–Smith’s already-proved 1/21/2 limit for the more shaded auxiliary pattern, plus the elementary observation that the difference is contained in the event that a random permutation has a proper skew cut, whose probability is o(1)o(1). This is not enough for a standalone combinatorics paper; it would fit as a brief note/corrigendum or remark.

    Literature check: I found the original result published as Govc–Smith, Discrete Mathematics 345 (2022), Article 112813, DOI 10.1016/j.disc.2022.112813, corresponding to arXiv:2011.11382. The paper states the target as Conjecture 5.1 and proves the auxiliary side-shaded case used here. Searches of arXiv/CORE/DOI metadata, GitHub issues/repositories, OEIS, and exact-title/phrase queries for “containment limit”, “Conjecture 5.1”, “skew-sum”, and the paper title did not reveal a later proof or stronger published statement.

    Citation: Dejan Govc and Jason P. Smith, “Asymptotic behaviour of the containment of certain mesh patterns,” Discrete Mathematics 345 (2022), 112813; arXiv:2011.11382, Section 5, Conjecture 5.1.

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