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Canonical versions of van der Waerden and Szemerédi type recurrence (conjectures and implications)

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Let (X,B,μ)(X,\mathscr{B},\mu) be a σ\sigma -finite measure space and T:X→XT:X \to X a measure preserving transformation. If A∈BA \in\mathscr{B} , then there exists n∈Nn \in\mathbb{N} with

μ(A∩T−nA∩T−2nA∩⋯∩T−ℓnA)>0,or(5)\mu(A \cap T^{-n}A \cap T^{-2n}A \cap\cdots \cap T^{-\ell n}A)>0,\text{or}\quad(5)

μ(T−inA∩T−jnA)=0∀0≤i<j≤ℓ.(6)\mu(T^{-in}A \cap T^{-jn}A)=0 \forall0 \leq i<j \leq\ell.\quad(6)

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    Problem: For a fixed integer ℓ≥1\ell\ge 1, the conjecture says: if (X,B,μ)(X,\mathscr B,\mu) is a σ\sigma-finite measure space, T:X→XT:X\to X is measure-preserving, and A∈BA\in\mathscr B, then there is n∈Nn\in\mathbb N such that either

    μ(A∩T−nA∩⋯∩T−ℓnA)>0\mu\bigl(A\cap T^{-n}A\cap\cdots\cap T^{-\ell n}A\bigr)>0

    or

    μ(T−inA∩T−jnA)=0∀ 0≤i<j≤ℓ.\mu(T^{-in}A\cap T^{-jn}A)=0\qquad\forall\,0\le i<j\le \ell .

    The statement is trivial for ℓ=1\ell=1, but it is false for every ℓ≥2\ell\ge2.

    Result: Take X=ZX=\mathbb Z, B=P(Z)\mathscr B=\mathcal P(\mathbb Z), μ=\mu= counting measure, and T(m)=m+1T(m)=m+1. This is a σ\sigma-finite measure-preserving system.

    Let

    A={∑k=0rεk3k: r≥0, εk∈{0,1}},A=\left\{\sum_{k=0}^r \varepsilon_k3^k:\ r\ge0,\ \varepsilon_k\in\{0,1\}\right\},

    the set of nonnegative integers whose ternary expansion uses only digits 0,10,1.

    First, AA has no nontrivial three-term arithmetic progression. Indeed, suppose a,c,b∈Aa,c,b\in A and a+c=2ba+c=2b. Comparing the equation modulo 33, with ternary unit digits α,γ,β∈{0,1}\alpha,\gamma,\beta\in\{0,1\}, we get

    α+γ≡2β(mod3).\alpha+\gamma\equiv 2\beta\pmod 3.

    The only possibilities are α=γ=β=0\alpha=\gamma=\beta=0 or α=γ=β=1\alpha=\gamma=\beta=1. Subtracting this common digit and dividing by 33, the same argument applies inductively to every ternary digit. Hence a=b=ca=b=c. Thus no progression x,x+n,x+2n⊂Ax,x+n,x+2n\subset A exists for n>0n>0.

    Second, A−A=ZA-A=\mathbb Z. Every integer has a finite balanced ternary expansion

    m=∑kδk3k,δk∈{−1,0,1}.m=\sum_k \delta_k3^k,\qquad \delta_k\in\{-1,0,1\}.

    Writing δk=εk−ηk\delta_k=\varepsilon_k-\eta_k with εk,ηk∈{0,1}\varepsilon_k,\eta_k\in\{0,1\}, we get

    m=∑kεk3k−∑kηk3k,m=\sum_k \varepsilon_k3^k-\sum_k \eta_k3^k,

    so m=a−bm=a-b for some a,b∈Aa,b\in A.

    Now fix any n∈Nn\in\mathbb N. Since n∈A−An\in A-A, there are a,b∈Aa,b\in A with a=b+na=b+n. Thus

    b∈A∩T−nA,b\in A\cap T^{-n}A,

    so

    μ(A∩T−nA)>0.\mu(A\cap T^{-n}A)>0.

    Therefore the pairwise-disjoint alternative fails already for the pair (i,j)=(0,1)(i,j)=(0,1).

    On the other hand, for ℓ≥2\ell\ge2,

    A∩T−nA∩⋯∩T−ℓnA≠∅A\cap T^{-n}A\cap\cdots\cap T^{-\ell n}A\neq\varnothing

    would give x,x+n,x+2n∈Ax,x+n,x+2n\in A, a nontrivial three-term arithmetic progression, impossible. Hence the positive multiple-recurrence alternative also fails.

    Thus for every n∈Nn\in\mathbb N, neither alternative holds. The conjecture is false for every ℓ≥2\ell\ge2.

    Citation: No external citation is needed; the counterexample above is explicit.

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    PASS

    The counterexample attacks the stated σ-finite version correctly. Counting measure on Z\mathbb Z with the shift is measure-preserving, the ternary 0/10/1-digit set AA has no nontrivial 3-term arithmetic progressions, and balanced ternary gives A−A=ZA-A=\mathbb Z. Hence for every positive nn, the full (ℓ+1)(\ell+1)-fold intersection is empty for ℓ≥2\ell\ge2, while A∩T−nA≠∅A\cap T^{-n}A\neq\varnothing, so the pairwise-zero alternative fails. Thus no nn satisfies either alternative.

    Novelty assessment

    TYPE1

    Classification rationale: The counterexample is correct but very elementary: it is just the standard ternary Stanley/Szekeres 3-term-AP-free set, plus the standard balanced-ternary observation that its difference set is all of Z\mathbb Z. Even if not explicitly recorded as a refutation of this particular conjecture, it is an immediate corollary of classical facts and would not support a standalone paper.

    Literature check: I found no indexed paper or note explicitly resolving this exact “canonical Szemerédi recurrence” conjecture; searches for the exact title, the displayed measure-theoretic alternative, “Canonical Szemerédi,” and related Farhangi/background-conjecture terms did not reveal a published counterexample. However, the construction is standard: OEIS A005836 / Stanley sequence is precisely the set of nonnegative integers with ternary digits 0,10,1, and it is recorded as having no 3-term arithmetic progression. Balanced ternary is the classical representation of every integer as ∑δk3k\sum \delta_k3^k, δk∈{−1,0,1}\delta_k\in\{-1,0,1\}, which immediately gives A−A=ZA-A=\mathbb Z.

    Citation: Relevant standard references: OEIS A005836, “Numbers whose base-3 representation contains no 2”; Odlyzko–Stanley, Some curious sequences constructed with the greedy algorithm; and standard balanced-ternary references such as Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming, Vol. 2, pp. 195–213.

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