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Give a bound R depending on some invariants of the simplicial complex Δ\Delta such that for r ≥R the polynomial hsdr(Δ)(t)\mathfrak{h}^{sd^{r}(\Delta)}(t) has only real roots.

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Candidate 4 of the open problems stated in "Combinatorics and Algebra of Geometric Subdivision Operations", extracted for the Scalable Mathematical Discovery run.

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    Problem: For a finite abstract simplicial complex Δ\Delta of dimension d1d-1, let sdr(Δ)sd^r(\Delta) be the rr-fold barycentric subdivision and define

    hΓ(t)=k=0dhk(Γ)tk,k=0dhk(Γ)tk=i=0dfi1(Γ)ti(1t)di.\mathfrak h^\Gamma(t)=\sum_{k=0}^d h_k(\Gamma)t^k,\qquad \sum_{k=0}^d h_k(\Gamma)t^k=\sum_{i=0}^d f_{i-1}(\Gamma)t^i(1-t)^{d-i}.

    The reconstructed problem is: give an explicit computable integer R(Δ)R(\Delta), depending on standard invariants of Δ\Delta, such that for every integer rR(Δ)r\ge R(\Delta), hsdr(Δ)(t)\mathfrak h^{sd^r(\Delta)}(t) has only real zeros. Constant polynomials are regarded as vacuously real-rooted.

    Result: The full ff-vector gives such a bound.

    Let F=(f1,f0,,fd1)TF=(f_{-1},f_0,\dots,f_{d-1})^T, with f1=1f_{-1}=1. For d1d\le1, take R(Δ)=0R(\Delta)=0, since the hh-polynomial has degree at most 11.

    Assume d2d\ge2. Define the barycentric subdivision matrix BdB_d by

    (Bd)ij={1,i=j=0,i!{ji},1ijd,0,otherwise,(B_d)_{ij}= \begin{cases} 1,&i=j=0,\\ i!\left\{\begin{matrix}j\\ i\end{matrix}\right\},&1\le i\le j\le d,\\ 0,&\text{otherwise}, \end{cases}

    where {ji}\left\{\begin{matrix}j\\ i\end{matrix}\right\} is a Stirling number of the second kind. Thus

    F(sdrΔ)=BdrF.F(sd^r\Delta)=B_d^rF.

    Let LdL_d be the hh-transform matrix

    (Ld)ki={(1)ki(diki),0ikd,0,i>k.(L_d)_{ki}= \begin{cases} (-1)^{k-i}\binom{d-i}{k-i},&0\le i\le k\le d,\\ 0,&i>k. \end{cases}

    For m=1,,dm=1,\dots,d, let umu_m be the eigenvector of BdB_d with eigenvalue m!m!, supported in coordinates m\le m, normalized by (um)m=1(u_m)_m=1. Let u0=e0u_0=e_0, and set

    Pm(t)=k=0d(Ldum)ktk.P_m(t)=\sum_{k=0}^d (L_du_m)_k t^k.

    Write

    F=m=0dcmum.F=\sum_{m=0}^d c_mu_m.

    Since (ud)d=1(u_d)_d=1 and umu_m has zero dd-coordinate for m<dm<d, one has cd=fd1>0c_d=f_{d-1}>0. Hence

    hsdr(Δ)(t)fd1(d!)r=Pd(t)+m=0d1cmfd1(m!d!)rPm(t).\frac{\mathfrak h^{sd^r(\Delta)}(t)}{f_{d-1}(d!)^r} = P_d(t)+ \sum_{m=0}^{d-1}\frac{c_m}{f_{d-1}}\left(\frac{m!}{d!}\right)^rP_m(t).

    By Brenti–Welker, PdP_d has degree d1d-1 and has d1d-1 simple real roots. Let these roots be

    α1<<αd1.\alpha_1<\cdots<\alpha_{d-1}.

    Choose

    η=13min(1,minijαiαj),\eta=\frac13\min\Bigl(1,\min_{i\ne j}|\alpha_i-\alpha_j|\Bigr),

    with the inner minimum omitted if d=2d=2. Put ai=αiηa_i=\alpha_i-\eta, bi=αi+ηb_i=\alpha_i+\eta, and define

    μ=mini{Pd(ai),Pd(bi)}>0,\mu=\min_i\{|P_d(a_i)|,|P_d(b_i)|\}>0, M=maxik=0dmax(ai,bi)k,εd=μ2M.M=\max_i\sum_{k=0}^d \max(|a_i|,|b_i|)^k, \qquad \varepsilon_d=\frac{\mu}{2M}.

    Finally set

    CΔ=m=0d1cmfd1Pmcoeff,C_\Delta=\sum_{m=0}^{d-1}\frac{|c_m|}{f_{d-1}}\|P_m\|_{\mathrm{coeff}},

    where Qcoeff\|Q\|_{\mathrm{coeff}} is the maximum absolute value of a coefficient of QQ, and take

    R(Δ)=min{rN:CΔdrεd}.R(\Delta)=\min\{r\in\mathbb N: C_\Delta d^{-r}\le\varepsilon_d\}.

    Equivalently, if CΔ>εdC_\Delta>\varepsilon_d,

    R(Δ)=log(CΔ/εd)logd,R(\Delta)=\left\lceil \frac{\log(C_\Delta/\varepsilon_d)}{\log d}\right\rceil,

    and otherwise R(Δ)=0R(\Delta)=0.

    For rR(Δ)r\ge R(\Delta),

    hsdr(Δ)(t)fd1(d!)rPd(t)coeffCΔdrεd.\left\| \frac{\mathfrak h^{sd^r(\Delta)}(t)}{f_{d-1}(d!)^r}-P_d(t) \right\|_{\mathrm{coeff}} \le C_\Delta d^{-r}\le\varepsilon_d.

    Therefore at each pair ai,bia_i,b_i, the normalized polynomial has the same signs as PdP_d. Since Pd(ai)P_d(a_i) and Pd(bi)P_d(b_i) have opposite signs, the intermediate value theorem gives one real zero in each interval (ai,bi)(a_i,b_i). Thus there are d1d-1 distinct real zeros. The polynomial has degree at most dd, so any remaining factor has degree at most 11, hence also has only real zeros. Multiplication by fd1(d!)r>0f_{d-1}(d!)^r>0 does not change zeros. Therefore hsdr(Δ)(t)\mathfrak h^{sd^r(\Delta)}(t) is real-rooted for all rR(Δ)r\ge R(\Delta).

    This bound depends only on the ff-vector of Δ\Delta and on universal constants determined by dd.

    Citation: The subdivision matrix and the fact that the dominant eigenpolynomial PdP_d has simple real roots are from F. Brenti and V. Welker, “ff-vectors of barycentric subdivisions,” Math. Z. 259 (2008), 849–865. The explicit bound above is obtained by making their spectral convergence quantitative.

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      machine: correct

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      The proof attacks the correct statement and gives an explicit computable R(Δ)R(\Delta) from the ff-vector. The spectral decomposition of the barycentric subdivision matrix yields quantitative coefficient convergence to the dominant Brenti–Welker eigenpolynomial PdP_d, whose roots are known to be simple and real. The perturbation/sign-change argument then guarantees d1d-1 real roots, and since the hh-polynomial has degree at most dd, the remaining factor has degree at most one. No fatal gap is apparent.

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      KNOWN

      Classification rationale: Brenti–Welker already prove a stronger asymptotic root-location statement for the hh-polynomial of iterated barycentric subdivisions. Their result implies eventual real-rootedness: the finite limiting roots are distinct real roots, so nearby roots of the real-coefficient polynomials are real for all sufficiently large subdivision orders, and any remaining root is real as well. The proposed solution is essentially a quantitative epsilon-delta extraction of this known convergence theorem.

      Literature check: Searches of Springer, arXiv, Crossref/OpenAlex metadata, and later works citing Mohammadi–Welker found no separate later paper giving the explicit displayed threshold. However, searches for “n-th iterated subdivision” and “h-polynomial” identify Brenti–Welker’s 2008 paper, whose abstract states that for a general (d1)(d-1)-dimensional complex, one zero tends to infinity and the other d1d-1 zeros tend to d1d-1 real numbers depending only on dd. This is a similar/stronger known statement than the accepted resolution’s eventual real-rootedness claim.

      Citation: F. Brenti and V. Welker, “ff-Vectors of barycentric subdivisions,” Math. Z. 259 (2008), 849–865, DOI: 10.1007/s00209-007-0251-z; arXiv:math/0606356.

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