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Generalized regular Turán numbers

Combinatorics · math.CO · posed by Dániel Gerbner, Hilal Hama Karim · open

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Let χ(H)≤k≥3\chi(H)\le k\ge 3 . Then rex(n,H,Kk+1)=(1+o(1))N(H,T(n,k))rex(n,H,K_{k+1})=(1+o(1))N(H,T(n,k)) .Moreover, if n is sufficiently large and is divisible by k, then rex(n,H,Kk+1)=N(H,T(n,k))rex(n,H,K_{k+1})=N(H,T(n,k)) .

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    Problem: Reconstructed statement: for finite simple graphs, with N(H,G)\mathcal N(H,G) the number of not necessarily induced copies of HH in GG, and

    rex⁡(n,H,F)=max⁡{N(H,G):∣V(G)∣=n, G regular and F-free},\operatorname{rex}(n,H,F)=\max\{\mathcal N(H,G): |V(G)|=n,\ G\text{ regular and }F\text{-free}\},

    Conjecture 1.4 asserts that if k≥3k\ge3 and χ(H)≤k\chi(H)\le k, then

    rex⁡(n,H,Kk+1)=(1+o(1))N(H,T(n,k)),\operatorname{rex}(n,H,K_{k+1})=(1+o(1))\mathcal N(H,T(n,k)),

    and, for all sufficiently large nn divisible by kk,

    rex⁡(n,H,Kk+1)=N(H,T(n,k)).\operatorname{rex}(n,H,K_{k+1})=\mathcal N(H,T(n,k)).

    Result: The conjecture is false.

    Take k=3k=3 and H=K10,1,1H=K_{10,1,1}, the complete tripartite graph with parts of sizes 10,1,110,1,1. Then χ(H)=3\chi(H)=3.

    Let nn be divisible by 3030. Construct GnG_n with parts

    ∣A∣=2n/5,∣B∣=∣C∣=3n/10.|A|=2n/5,\qquad |B|=|C|=3n/10.

    Put all edges between AA and BB, all edges between AA and CC, and put an n/5n/5-regular bipartite graph between BB and CC. This exists, e.g. cyclically. Then every vertex has degree 3n/53n/5, so GnG_n is regular. Since GnG_n is tripartite, it is K4K_4-free.

    Let inj⁡(H,G)\operatorname{inj}(H,G) denote injective homomorphisms. Since N(H,G)=inj⁡(H,G)/∣Aut⁡(H)∣\mathcal N(H,G)=\operatorname{inj}(H,G)/|\operatorname{Aut}(H)|, comparing injective counts suffices.

    For T(n,3)T(n,3), with parts of size m=n/3m=n/3,

    inj⁡(H,T(n,3))=6m2(m)10.\operatorname{inj}(H,T(n,3))=6m^2(m)_{10}.

    Indeed, the two singleton vertices must go to two distinct parts, and the 1010-vertex independent part is forced into the third part.

    In GnG_n, count only embeddings sending the 1010-vertex part into AA and the two singleton vertices to an edge between BB and CC. Since

    e(B,C)=3n10⋅n5=3n250,e(B,C)=\frac{3n}{10}\cdot\frac n5=\frac{3n^2}{50},

    we get

    inj⁡(H,Gn)≥2e(B,C)(2n/5)10=3n225(2n/5)10.\operatorname{inj}(H,G_n)\ge 2e(B,C)(2n/5)_{10} =\frac{3n^2}{25}(2n/5)_{10}.

    Hence

    inj⁡(H,Gn)inj⁡(H,T(n,3))≥950∏i=092n/5−in/3−i→950(65)10>1.\frac{\operatorname{inj}(H,G_n)}{\operatorname{inj}(H,T(n,3))} \ge \frac{9}{50}\prod_{i=0}^{9}\frac{2n/5-i}{n/3-i} \to \frac{9}{50}\left(\frac65\right)^{10}>1.

    Therefore, for all sufficiently large multiples of 3030,

    N(H,Gn)>N(H,T(n,3)).\mathcal N(H,G_n)>\mathcal N(H,T(n,3)).

    Thus

    rex⁡(n,H,K4)>N(H,T(n,3))\operatorname{rex}(n,H,K_4)>\mathcal N(H,T(n,3))

    on an infinite sequence of nn divisible by 33, disproving both the exact and asymptotic claims.

    This is not a degenerate boundary case: HH is connected, has no isolated vertices, and satisfies χ(H)=k=3\chi(H)=k=3.

    Citation: Definitions and target conjecture: Gerbner–Karim, “Generalized regular Turán numbers,” arXiv:2311.01579, Conjecture 1.4. Counterexample above is constructed here.

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    model says: correctGPT-5.5 xhigh (SMD judge 1)

    scope Full solution as submitted; SMD novelty classification TYPE1

    PASS

    The counterexample attacks the stated conjecture correctly. For k=3k=3 and H=K10,1,1H=K_{10,1,1}, the constructed graph GnG_n is 3n/53n/5-regular and K4K_4-free. The count in T(n,3)T(n,3) is exactly 6(n/3)2(n/3)106(n/3)^2(n/3)_{10}, while GnG_n already has at least 3n225(2n/5)10\frac{3n^2}{25}(2n/5)_{10} injective copies. The ratio tends to

    950(65)10>1,\frac{9}{50}\left(\frac65\right)^{10}>1,

    so for infinitely many large nn divisible by 33, rex(n,H,K4)>N(H,T(n,3))rex(n,H,K_4)>N(H,T(n,3)). This disproves both the exact and asymptotic claims. I found no prior similar result in the available literature search.

    Novelty assessment

    TYPE1

    Classification rationale: The counterexample appears genuinely new, but it is a short elementary construction and copy-count comparison against T(n,3)T(n,3). It disproves a recent conjecture, but likely would not support a standalone standard-journal paper without broader classification/corrected conjectures.

    Literature check: I found no published or preprint source giving this counterexample or otherwise stating Conjecture 1.4 is false. The original arXiv paper still has only its initial version. Later related sources, including Gerbner–Palmer’s generalized Turán survey and Gerbner–Karim–Kucheriya’s abstract chromatic-number paper, discuss related ordinary/regular Turán frameworks but do not contain this regular counterexample. Ordinary generalized Turán literature already notes that balanced Turán graphs need not optimize arbitrary complete multipartite HH, but that does not by itself resolve the regular version here.

    Citation: D. Gerbner and H. Hama Karim, “Generalized regular Turán numbers,” arXiv:2311.01579, Conjecture 1.4. Related background: E. Győri, J. Pach, M. Simonovits, Graphs Combin. 7 (1991), 31–37; D. Gerbner and C. Palmer, arXiv:2506.03418.

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